It seems some people are trying to argue as if only black people were ever slaves?? Basketball player Blake Griffin and comedian Kathy Griffin are two of the most well-known people with the surname Griffin. Dudley or Dudlly is my family name . According to reports from the Central Statistics Office, Murphy is the most popular last name in Ireland. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. They were allowed to keep their last names? But we still must take into consideration that the Irish were hated for being Catholics, and that this was the main reason behind making them into slaves. Where can I learn more about Irish names? Even today the continent is littered with tribal dictators and warlords and they oppress the people below them and still treat them as slaves. http://www.irishsurnames.com/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?name=dudley&capname=Dudley&letter=d. There were no Irish people born in America as a slave based on their mother being a slave.. Sisters founded orders if nuns. My theory contrary to the hypotheses here is America has made any skin color not light or white a lower lifeforms hence Irish are white Im I wrong. This has already been disproven. I always wondered why so many African Americans had the same last name as I did when I was single. The term is used among people of Irish descent and sometimes confuses people since it doesn't refer to dark skin color. GG Father, May , a wealthy man owned African/Native American Slaves in parts of Georgia and sired two sets of children. Groups of the French invaders landed on Irish shores, bringing with them new customs and characteristics to native Irish people and Irelands culture. The Counter-Revolution of 1776: slave resistance and the origins of the United States of America. And yes, it is as long as its title.Im still trying to wade through it. The Irish are Iber-ish (Hebrew man) They were also raped by their white captors and dealers while in the holding cells that lined the coasts of Africa. Slavery, in any oppressive, dehumanizing form is wrong! Racism was a mischaracterization of that content. The term Black Irish has been in circulation for centuries, with Irish whiskeys such as Mariah Careys Black Irish cream liqueur and Northern Ireland-based Darker Still Spirits Company Black Irish Whiskey even naming their products after the term. Others you may not be as familiar with outside of Ireland are Whelan ( Faolin in Gaelic) and OKeeffe ( Caoimh in Gaelic). Irish was not even a nationality at the time Catholic hovel living tenant farmers who couldnt vote, couldnt hold office, were taxed for their religious beliefs, couldnt pass the land to their children, couldnt learn in Catholic schools, had their language officially prohibited, subsisted on the potato, and were largely ignored when they were starving to death by their ruling government (Britain), evicted from their homes, sent off to die in the workhouses of Ireland, women shipped out in the scheme of assisted emigration, did I forget something? Early Origins of the Black family. With this, Irish people and families began to associate with the collective surname of O'Dubhghaill. Extract from the book, A Journey from Bridgetown to Belfast Sure, some of their names have changed, but there are still plenty of McCoys, Buchanans and other very Irish last names out there in them thar hills. Very few are disputing that the British were horrific to the Irish, and to some extent, the Scottish as well. Whereas once the Irish people mainly spoke Irish (Gaelic/Gaeilge) the indigenous language English is now the primary language. McClure here and I am proud of my black and Irish ancestry. Ireland and its culture are known world-over. It was common in the 1600s for the Irish prefixes O and Mac to be dropped from Irish names. Irish actress Katie McGrath is one of the most famous McGraths. Working is a choice and they get paid for their work. Last name: Black. Disgusting lies like this are akin to Holocaust Denial, and its no surprise that one of the authors circulating this myth, Michael Hoffman, is in fact an outspoken Holocaust Denier. Copyright 2019 - 2023 Ireland Before You Die | Trading under, TOP 100 Irish surnames / last names (info & facts). There are no dates for these events, because these were not, and are not, issues faces by Irish slaves and Irish indentured servants. These last names chosen were often those of Union soldiers whom were primarily Irish. Famous people with this surname include singers James Brown and Chris Brown. The article failed to explain that. Its a circular statement! Black slaves were the alternatives because they could bear these conditions, and also knew farming techniques which they carried with them to the New World. He said a freed man works for no man. As things evolved though the change from indentured to enslaved came in a big way because of the darker skin tone making it easier to identify runaways and the popularity of black Africans entering a lifetime period of slavery is why indentured servitude was replaced with full on actual slavery. It is a shallow attempt and more nonsense than anything. The Iber inhabited Spain/Portugal which they named after themselves, the Iberian Peninsular, they were later chased out by barbarians into a new land they also named after themselves, Hibernia (Literally the land of the Hebrews) which is Ireland. https://www.houseofnames.com/dudley-family-crest, Originally, this was a surname coming from Dudley in Worcestershire, England. Well than do research and prove yourself right instead of arguing out of not knowing. He gained his freedom in 7 years and bought land. Also the codification of slavery based on race and as a condition of the mother did not fully take effect until the 1700s. At least they were able to join the white establishment due to their color. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved.. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white. Scott is a very popular surname. The Irish have, throughout history been very cruel to African Americans so let them the many of them wear the title of red neck like it is their badge of honor. In contrast, however, at this same period in history, predominately, the Portuguese and Spanish were colonizing and enslaving the indigenous population of the South America continent. Remember one thing and one thing only..irish slavery did happen in the Americas and in the West Indies! They became very wealthy and powerful at the expense of their foes and rivals. There is a prevailing debate amongst the commentators that leaves me with strong feelings of indignation. Cromwells cruelty was a race and ethnic cleansing..ridding the Kingdom of the remnants of its ancient Black population. (Thanks to Mike McCormick of the. The Table shown here gives a listing of the 100 most commonly names found in Ireland and their meanings. How dare you compare 100,000 indentured servants and criminals to the kidnapping of 12.5 million people? The terminology is important, which has been duly noted and exaggerated on both ends of the discussion. It was not until Darwin that the belief that physical traits identified race. Notable Flanagans include actor Tommy Flanagan and actress Crista Flanagan. For example, I am irish and my name in Irish is Aine Maire OFallanhaim, but it was Anglicized to Ann Marie Fallon by the British. What do we see here? As most of the slave owners were of Anglo-Celtic descent, these are the names that the African-Americans were saddled with. If they existed they were unenforceable because Irish did not have to change their race to blend in and be accepted. Mary Robinson, the former president of Ireland, is one of the most well-known Irish Robinsons. She and many other commentators suggest and maintain that this is a racial issue, Black against White. Ryan (30795) As a lay person, its hard to know who to believe. Both explanations for why blacks have Irish last names are only partially true. There are particular surnames associated with the pre-removal period. One of the most famous Nolans is film director Christopher Nolan. Everyone google irish slavery is a myth and tell me who its written by or sourced byyou got it it Liam Hogan.yes he is one of the millions of English trying to deny our history!!!!!!! So for me. Visit The Information about Irelandsite to read more about Irish history, culture, and heritage. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about Irish surnames. O'Neill 11. People who were no longer allowed to speak their own language, practice their own religion, marry who they want to marry, raped, murdered, separated and had absolutely no control over their lives for over 250 years? One of the most famous ODohertys is Irish stand-up comedian David ODoherty. These include Gaelic Irish, Cambro-Norman, and Anglo-Irish last names. Immigrant groups throughout history have generally been treated poorly by the indigenous population (or by those who simply settled first). my mother in law was called Shanks, we are Irish from the north of Ireland. In the 1940s what were the Jews in Germany? There are a number of different claims as to the origin of the term Black Irish, none of which are possible to entirely prove or disprove. In its conception, Ireland was made up of kin groups or clans. They entered into an indentured agreement, which was recorded (and can be viewed on many online resources) for a fixed period of time and were subject to the same laws as all subjects of the King. I am in no way minimizing the African slave part of history, it is through this history of the Irish to say we can relate and understand an awful part of human history. Or, Is what happened to the Irish just a mere part of what happens to all, and to any of the different nations of men who are affected by the wicked works of the heathen? More than a sense of pride, our names give us the ability to trace our Irish roots through the generations. Quinn 20. Thats a very open minded attitude. Black Surname Meaning Black is a Scottish surname primarily. Jesus was born in the mid east, why do people believe that his hair is blond and straight, and have white skin, even hanging on the walls of black people, along with Martin Luther King, Malcolm x, John Kennedy. Salem Quarterly Court. The Anglo-Saxon offspring he openly acknowledged. @wolfsilveroak I suggest you re-read the book. History is on the table not politics, but I fully embrace the author of the blog to provide sources in effort to clear up all the confusion thats been created. Daly 25. That is less than the African migration per decade to the United States today. She was so angry, thats not what Jesus looks like, so I said how do you know,? Notable Hughes include American business magnate Howard Hughes, and poet and activist Langston Hughes. It continues in use. There is no logic in that a hybrid race slave would be any more profitable than a hard working African slave, and has no basis in historical fact. There is an ancient fable that Wulfricus Niger, otherwise . Irish women were forced to have black children (enslaved first in the West Indies & Monserrat), because black slaves were costly, whereas Irish slaves cheap. Ireland Before You Die is supported by its audience. The Vikings were often referred to as the "dark invaders" or "black foreigners." Indeed this criminalisation of the poor continues into the 21st century. Im curious to know how/why the Irish slaves were able to keep their Irish last names?Traditionally slaves had to take on their owners last name. Although I reject the implications of these labels, for the sake of the argument and simplicity, Ill continue to use them. The Irish were treated as less of a person than blacks, maybe not worthy of the slave owners name! I wonder if the Irish will be told to get over it already the same way African Americans and Canadians are told. Although some of the indigenous people eventually earned their way up in status and they imported slaves from the African slave trade, the overwhelming majority of the oppressed was still the South America natives. And why so many Georgians have stories about helping that White boy run to the mountains. Barbados has an enclave on the island, the descendants of Irish slaves who never integrated with others, they speak with a slight Irish accent but as a race they suffer from alcoholism and diabetes and inbreeding. Africans had names that made no sense to the English speaking enslavers, so they gave them English names. But this should not turn into a contest of who had it worst. The more I think about this article, the sadder I become knowing that most of you believe its lies. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. I dont know why white people are in such a hurry to prove theyre oppressed but this just isnt true. There were three waves of Irish immigration to America, the 17th century Irish slaves described above, the 18th century Irish immigrants who settled along the Appalachian frontier and were shepherded by Presbyterian ministers because Catholic priests had a 5 pound bounty on their heads, and the mostly Catholic 19th century immigrants who settled in cities and took over the Democrat Party. The Irish Catholics did not not migrate voluntarily to the Americas until the 1850s when the Irish Potato Famine hit their country. Not just the Irish. Sure the law condemned them, but do they have any less right to their heritage than a White person? There really is no comparison! Sure there is a difference, but servant is a perhaps a misnomer. We have to stop making up excuses for white slaveholders and the damage they inflicted onto their black captives, including the removal of our names and stripping us of even the knowledge of knowing where we are (specifically) from as the Irish, English, Spaniards, Scottish, etc. I assumed it had transferred from plantation owner to slave but instead it seems like it transferred from Irish slave to African slave. How hypocritical but typical of the current climate in this country. I can trace my Ancestry on my Maternal Grandmothers (Fathers) side of the Family Tree back to Ireland. The bad words Jamaicans curse originated from Ireland. However, there have been many others who suffered in slavery. The worst and qualifying factors for slavery are oppression and dehumanization. I am tired of the Irish and their historical lies!!!!! The truth is, you are an Israelite. They said the Irish were treated better. But even also his own people as a mere result of the kind of things that happen when the wicked are in rule? it made things a whole lot easier to change their names. If you cant even get that right!!!! The Irish faced discrimination for being ethnically Irish and being Catholic but there was no widespread allowance to murder an indentured servant or an Irishman as there was for black slaves. It started with a video of the Black Irish of Montserrat. Examples of famous Stewarts include actress Kristen Stewart, actor Patrick Stewart, and musician Rod Stewart, among many others. https://www.opendemocracy.net/beyondslavery/liam-hogan/%e2%80%98irish-slaves%e2%80%99-convenient-myth, Some good explanations of the term Black Irish: They didnt want to go to war on behalf of the African American, well thats what they thought it was about,, even though we all know that the civil war wasnt about the liberation of the black slaves. The phrase "Black Irish" has been in use for hundreds of years, and several brands of Irish whiskey. The fact is that any white male could sexually assault a black woman with impunity. We must stop perpetuating that the Irish were slaves, it is a fallacy. Her first husband was White and her second husband was Black. There is much debate over the original meaning of the term black Irish. I guess that depends on what you consider Irish? Rarely youll find them listed by age, gender and a first name NEVER A LAST NAME. A total of 455,000 Africans out of 12.5 million were brought to America from the 17th century till it stopped in 1820. Black Irish (album), 2017 music album by American singer-songwriter Shannon McNally. This must end with the entire group of humans~~or else look forward to the re-boot of the planet~~~so if there is not change~~~I well I guess I will see all of you in the next life-time~~~lyrics from Erykah Badu~~~, [] How Blacks have Irish LastNames []. An African would know better. Abraham Agan Agnew Ahearn Ahern Aherne Anglim Anglin Ansbro Argue Armstrong Art Ashe Athey Athy Baldwin Balfe Ballagh Bane Banfield Banfill The only notable distinction is that the import/export of slaves reached a pinnacle during the colonization of the Americas era and Blacks were the main slave stock being exchanged at the time. Enjoy! The notion that plantation owners fathered most mixed children is also false. Top 100 Irish surnames 1. Read Whence the Black Irish of Jamaica by Joseph R Williams. Unless you know more about your name I would assume it association with immigrant Scottish planters and settlers of Northern Ireland, but it could have been adopted by some of the natives. They owned the land in Ireland too where Catholic Irish worked on their lands. It is striking, though, how this tale is very similar to the ancient Irish legend of the Milesians who settled in Ireland having traveled from Spain. White indentured servitude was so very different from black slavery as to be from another galaxy of human experience, as Donald Harman Akenson put it in If the Irish Ran the World: Montserrat, 1630-1730. Another was the prevailing feeling among the Southern States that they were not being representing and that their votes didnt count. Britains solution was to auction them off as well. The English settlers (the masters in Ireland, supported by the English/British army) spoke English. Famous Clarkes include actresses Emilia Clarke and Melinda Mindy Clarke. Only problem how did the irish slaves keep their names. There looks to be much more valuable information available if you search on this form of the name. After they were freed, when their slave trade ended, they were made overseers, given african slaves, made to believe they were part of the white establishment. Its not to different to the world we have today. The term "black Irish" refers to persons of Irish descent who are . The term "Black Irish" has also been applied to the descendants of Irish emigrants who settled in the West Indies. So they forgot where there came from, slavery and became slavers or helped them. This proclamation lasted 200 years ,ending some 9-13 years before Black Slavery Emancipation. Were revealing where the term comes from and who exactly the term is referring to. Also, this foolish comparison fails to acknowledge the differences between indentured servitude and real slavery. This is not a race issue! The name Gallagher is "O Gallchobhair" which translates as "foreign help." Their names would have, at this point, been changed to more Anglicised versions. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. You are so wrong common sense should tell you how did all colors come from 2 people. However, a whopping 50 to 80 million people around the globe are thought to share in Irish ancestry. Why do we continue to ignore the pain of others? When a White indentured servant or slave walked away or escaped his master or owner, he or she could go just about any place they choose and live their lives as free White people. Some of the most common Irish last names are Murphy ( Murchadha in Gaelic), Kelly ( Ceallaigh in Gaelic), OSullivan ( Silleabhin in Gaelic), and Walsh (Breathnach in Gaelic). Copyright 2023 Irish Studio LLC All rights reserved. Irish indentured servants were not emancipated. Walsh 5. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the masters free workforce. Black people with names with Mc in them likely acquired them in one of four ways: they could be descendants of slaves who were owned by an Irish or Scottish slaveowner. Most blacks who lived on plantations did not have last names. The Celtsarrived on the island about the year 500 B.C. What utter pointless nonsense is this!? Why because only blacks get to claim such horrible treatment of their people? But why are these fanatics so triggered and butthurt about this, why they try to deny this crime so obsessively? Youll find that most often the enslaved are identified by age and gender only. Second, how does the Civil War, even if it were just about slavery, diminish the atrocities of slavery, war, and maltreatment of the Irish? Another clue are terms "Black Dutch" and "Black Irish." These were used by families to hide their ethnicity. Other names. http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=dudley, Claims its origins are Anglo-Saxon name associated with Worcestershire, England: This article is merely an attempt to connect whites to Deuteronomy within the KJV Bible. Famous ORourkes are child actresses and sisters Tammy and Heather ORourke. Had you read the history on it you know this but even without a history lesson you shouldve been able to logically reason this out abecause in order for us to have their last names it would HAVE TO MEAN THAT THEY WERENT SLAVES AT THE TIME because slaves arent allowed to have their name live on only free people did
